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GIJOE
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posted May 12, 2005 22:03      Profile for GIJOE   Email GIJOE   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I will soon have my barrels ready to sell and would like to know how many people there are on this site that would be interested in having one. I'm not taking orders just yet but I would like to hear from you if you plan on building a PSG1 type rifle soon.
The barrels are made from Rock Creek barrel blanks in the M24 contour, .308 win , recessed target crown, single cut rifling, 5R grove, 26" long. I don't have the excact price yet but they will be cheaper than $800.00. I plan to make some available to fit the HK 91 as well . E-mail me at jmountsjr1@earthlink.net. Thanks-Joe Mounts.

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posted May 12, 2005 23:16      Profile for GR   Email GR      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm interested depending on price.Whats the difference between the HK91 and PSG versions.Is it just longer to make up for the trunnion extension?
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posted May 12, 2005 23:29      Profile for ETG   Email ETG   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PSG1 is a heavy barrel - the front sight will not fit on the barrel nor will the handgard.
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posted May 12, 2005 23:32      Profile for Rocket18k   Email Rocket18k   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i may be interested.. make sure of the fluting and such and you may have a winner

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posted May 13, 2005 01:46      Profile for falshooter   Email falshooter   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hmmm...

Seems to me one could buy a PSS, pull the barrel, turn down the breach, press it into an HK trunnion and have the same thing.

For less than $800.

And still have the action to sell and recoup some of the cost.
GIJOE never mentioned the barrels having flute, either.


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posted May 13, 2005 02:30      Profile for gough1   Email gough1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
interested depending on price gough1
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posted May 13, 2005 02:36      Profile for jfk   Email jfk   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by falshooter:
hmmm...

Seems to me one could buy a PSS, pull the barrel, turn down the breach, press it into an HK trunnion and have the same thing.

For less than $800.

And still have the action to sell and recoup some of the cost.
GIJOE never mentioned the barrels having flute, either.



Not that easy. The barrel would have to have the chamber fluted for reliable extraction.


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FMJBTHP
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posted May 13, 2005 04:04      Profile for FMJBTHP     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I remember correctly, Joe had a guy that was going to do the EDM fluting for him. The chamber diagram has been floating around on this site for a while, as long as the barrels are within the specs on that diagram, they should function. I'm definitely interested. Let us know when you decide on a price for these things Joe.

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GIJOE
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posted May 13, 2005 04:06      Profile for GIJOE   Email GIJOE   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Most serious shooters buy a PSS and replace the barrel with a Mike Rock barrel and junk the factory PSS barrel or sell it . The Mike Rock barrels are used on the US Army M24 sniper rifles and exceed the quality of any stock barrel by a thousand miles. I just thought I would let people know what type of barrel we are talking about.

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posted May 13, 2005 11:25      Profile for awhucks   Email awhucks   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm definitely in - depending on price.

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posted May 13, 2005 13:14      Profile for Artifex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Same here, depends on price, but I'm a tentative yes.

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posted May 14, 2005 21:04      Profile for dragon244   Email dragon244   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oh yea count me in brother
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FMJBTHP
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posted June 19, 2005 04:52      Profile for FMJBTHP     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Any updates on these?

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posted June 19, 2005 15:51      Profile for ronin 69   Email ronin 69   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
post a price and specs. i may be a player
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posted June 21, 2005 23:19      Profile for Erich-63   Email Erich-63   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Indeed, what's the price?
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GIJOE
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posted July 23, 2005 00:36      Profile for GIJOE   Email GIJOE   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just wanted to let everyone know that I have finally received a shipment of the Mike Rock M24 barrels to use for the PSG1 type barrels and will be heading to the shop monday morning to begin making to first ones to test . I hope to have a completed rifle in a least two weeks and will begin test firing right away. I will post the results so don't give up on me yet , I'm still driving on. I will begin taking orders as soon as I'm satisfied with the finished product. To bring you up to date these are heavy stainless steel, single cut, 5R grove barrels ,.308 Win. The same barrels that are sold to the US Army for the M24 Sniper Rifle's.

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posted July 23, 2005 00:50      Profile for FMJBTHP     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sweet! Any ballpark figures on final cost yet? I realize these are not going to be the $299 ones that JoeKen sells, but I'm hoping for something a bit cheaper than the Urbach barrels. Good luck, and keep us posted.

Mike

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posted July 23, 2005 02:59      Profile for GIJOE   Email GIJOE   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would love to be able to put a price on them now but I still want to wait until I have all the cost put together including my shipping cost. I'm paying alot for the chambering right now but I hope to get the price down if I can make a deal for a price on bulk orders. I also don't know how long I will have to wait to get quanities of the barrels from Mike Rock .It takes alot longer to bore single cut rifling than other methods so I know the wait will be a little longer that I would like but thats the way it is.
I feel very forunate to get to use his barrels at all, he's been very encourageing and helpful. I will say that a ball park figure of around $700.00 would be close , remember that I'm trying to get prices lowered for bulk work though. I'm looking at getting another machinist to do the chambering and will send him a barrel next week to do before I decide on it. I have a machinist that will do them for $130.00 apiece but thats just the chambering. I still have to pay for the chamber fluting ( BIG$$$), the crowning and turning down the barrel to fit as well as the finishing , I may skip the finishing or make that a special order item because these are stainless ( not worried about rust)and some people may want to have the barreled reciever finished to match.
I 'm just now getting the barrels so I will be finding all this out right away, up until now I have only searched for the people that would do the work and gotten prices on single piece work. I have tried to pin them down to bulk rate prices but haven't gotten any definite answers from anyone yet. They all wanted to know exactly how many barrels I was talking about and I could only theorize since I didn't know how many people would want one. I can only get 50 barrels at a time from Mike and that will take awhile so I'm going by that . It's been stuff and I have lost some sleep over it but I haven't slept good since desert storm anyway.
I 'm not going to run up the price to get as much money as I can. I'm sick of people doing that with HK stuff and thats why I decided to do this in the first place. I believe I will sell more if there as afordable as possible but these aren't going to be cheap but they are going to be top quality barrels and thats what I want on my rifle. I would rather have a standard stock and a great barrel than have a $700.00 stock and a cheap barrel. I'm into performance over show and these barrels have already proven that they can perform all over the ( terrorist muslem) world .

[ July 23, 2005: Message edited by: GIJOE ]

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posted July 23, 2005 04:32      Profile for FMJBTHP     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Awesome. Count me in.

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posted July 23, 2005 11:24      Profile for Artifex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, add my name to the list too

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posted July 23, 2005 23:43      Profile for swatbwana   Email swatbwana   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by falshooter:
hmmm...

Seems to me one could buy a PSS, pull the barrel, turn down the breach, press it into an HK trunnion and have the same thing.

For less than $800.

And still have the action to sell and recoup some of the cost.
GIJOE never mentioned the barrels having flute, either.



The PSS is not a 5R barrel, The PSS does not have a fluted chamber.
for it to be a PSG1 barrel it would have to have flutes by definition so he did not have to mention it.

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GIJOE
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posted July 29, 2005 22:06      Profile for GIJOE   Email GIJOE   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have news about the barrels. I may ,just may , be able to sell them with US made PSG1 type trunions which will allow for a heavier barrel. This will allow the use of the PSG1/MSG90 forearms and a better product all around . Its only a possiblity . I would like to hear some feed back about this.
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posted July 30, 2005 04:31      Profile for bangbang   Email bangbang   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I might be interested in one of the barrels but if i was going to build a clone I would probably want to use a JLD trunnion and an IGF MSG 90 trunnion extension. I would personaly be interested in the highest quality most reasonably priced barrel possible. It seems to me that it would be cheaper and easier to design them to use standard G3 trunnions and a trunnion extension.

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posted July 30, 2005 19:10      Profile for GIJOE   Email GIJOE   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with the idea of the G3 trunions with extensions because"hey" thats what I'm doing. I would also like to have a PSG1 type trunion so I could have a heavier barrel. If your building from scratch it would be easier to use the PSG1 type trunion because you don't have to worry about lining the extension prefectly and welding it perfectly. One could even fabricate a sheet metal shell to cover the extension , a receiver extension if you will. I will have both types of barrels so one can choose his preference.
If you can get a reasonably price barrel thats is quality than buy it, of course. I'm doing the best that I can on the price , if I had my own machine shop and wanted to work for free I'm sure I could sell(give) them at a reasonable price, but I don't and if I did I wouldn't work for free. It takes alot of work to make one barrel. I was originally hoping to make a barrel for aound $500.00 but things were more exspensive than I thought. Live and learn I guess. The chamber fluting is what drives up the price and shipping from one shop to the other. If I don't sell alot oh well ,at least I will know that I produced one of the best barrels ever made for the HK 91 series rifle.A true precision barrel.Thank you for your feedback, it does influence the way I go about things.

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posted July 30, 2005 19:30      Profile for Vulcan Raven   Email Vulcan Raven   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by GIJOE:
[QB]I agree with the idea of the G3 trunions with extensions because"hey" thats what I'm doing. I would also like to have a PSG1 type trunion so I could have a heavier barrel. If your building from scratch it would be easier to use the PSG1 type trunion because you don't have to worry about lining the extension prefectly and welding it perfectly.

One could even fabricate a sheet metal shell to cover the extension , a receiver extension if you will. [QB]



That's pretty much the setup that my rifle has. There is no trunnion extention, but instead, a receiver extention, that is attached to the receiver at 3 points (3, 6, and 9 oclock) with fairly heavy setscrews that go through the handguard.

The handguard slides right over this extention, and it's a pretty tight fit. The handguard itself is made from 3/16" aluminum, radius bent at the bottom corners. So, it's similar to the old delta-style handguards on the M-16.

With this type attachment system, you don't even have to fool with the cocking tube adapter, or the PSG-1 handguard. And this handguard is WAY stronger than factory, IMO.

Only problem is the fact that it was a custom-made item. However, I'd be happy to take pictures, measurements, etc...for anyone interested in possibly making these.

Hell, when I get a lathe this fall, I might start making the receiver extentions myself, and possibly work on some handguards like the one I have. I think I could probably turn out something very close with my press brake. It doesn't bend sharp corners, it puts a radius bend in sheet metal (which weakens material less than sharp corners) So, maybe I can start making them.

In the meantime, though, if anyone else is interested, I'd be happy to provide details.

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